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"One was called I Was a Teenage Sausage Dog," says Clary. I look at Clary for some assistance, some acknowledgement that this is a gag about woolly knickers. Apart from compering a Channel 4 cabaret show last autumn called The Queer Comics, the screen has recently been very devoid of Julian and his camp comedy, his outrageous Lycra bodystockings, his star-spangled post-modernist Kenneth Williams sniggers about sucking a Fisherman's Friend.

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We are sitting upstairs at the Lyric Theatre in Hammersmith and he is tellling me about the only time he's acted in straight plays. Off-stage, six-foot something and classically good-looking in jeans and a very stylish shirt, with just the merest smattering of mascara, Julian Clary looks a bit, well, sotto voce and I suddenly don't feel too confident I'd win any favours by asking him what he means.

They were children's shows in Covent Garden about 10 years ago. To be frank, Clary has been a bit quiet all round lately.

Challenges (teasing, questions, qualifying, feigned disinterest) serve to increase tension and test intention and congruity.

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